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Anonymous
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| posted: 4/7/2005 at 3:52:41 PM ET
Well music was played in heaven for God also. Its not a evil thing. Besides, most all of those that were taught how to play were wiped out by the flood. I dunno which of Noah's children could play? But it seems like most of the insturments would have been lost and unless they were knowledgable about the craft of making these insturments... well I guess most of the pre flood music would be lost including all that was by the angels. It seems to me that whatever was used after that point was most likely man made. or something like that.
| Anonymous
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| posted: 4/7/2005 at 5:50:04 PM ET
I understand what you're saying, but you are starting with the assumption that the Enoch text is authoritative as Scripture. MOST Jews and Christians would not agree with this, so your prior statement: "if you're religious" is somewhat misleading.
Personally, I think that the Enoch text is useful for understanding the views and beliefs of second temple Judaism. Some its contents may even be authoritative, since it is qouted by Jude in the N.T. However, I think the verdict of both Judaism and the Church communities - that Enoch is *not* canonical - must be taken into account when reading the text. As a Christian, I probably would not base a doctrine (ie, music was introduced by Azazel and his crew) solely on something that occurs in Enoch.
| Anonymous
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| posted: 4/28/2005 at 4:57:09 PM ET
Hi guys, sorry for the long questions, but this has been boggling my mind recenetly and it ties in to this discussion:
So, what actually is the history of music?
I mean, did all the theory/notation/scale stuff start in Medieval times? What other known forms were there that could have influenced this?
Like what was the first scale created? From what and where did it all begin?
And, how is the development of music theory linked with Christianity and the Bible in general? (Specific cases would be nice too e.g certain scales being linked with the Devil.) Was Christianity a major influence on music, or the only influnce in the creation of scales?
If this is case then, finally, if - hypothetically Christianity did not exist and some other form of power and control was in it's place, in what way would that change and influence music and music theory?
What I'd also really like to look into is what factors influenced the evolution of music.. I mean, it started pure and simple presumably by singing or tapping on drums (whatever) before Christianity, but is the expansion of music and notation into more advanced realms a benefactor of Christianity?
(heh, yeah it's long, but this is fascinating stuff - any links would be helpful too)
| suzyq
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11/18/2004 | posted: 4/28/2005 at 5:44:21 PM ET
Hi,
This is a very interesting topic. I've often wondered how it all started, pretty much the same questions you've asked -
guess the best thing at least for a start is to take a Music History course.
Discovery of Music is so wide ranging that another suggestion would be to research one topic of interest which most likely will lead to another.
I'm pretty sure that one of us will be able to give you some information - but in the end I guess you'll have to do the legwork.
You never know, maybe one day you'll write a Discovery of Music book and if you do, let us know.
|  Pete
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3/20/2005 | posted: 5/3/2005 at 2:41:04 AM ET
I think music began as a way to impart knowledge and pass on history in a tribal context, before the written word.
|  imnidiot
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3/28/2005 | posted: 5/6/2005 at 9:13:04 PM ET
I went to google and found a site called www.ipl.org/divmusichistory. Some very interesting info. Hope this helps your query. Also keep in mind that thousands of years ago, there was a lot of time for people to experiment with music and the arts. Especially in the aristocracy of the ancient civilizations, as all these people had to do was amuse themselves, or be amused by servants. Their entertainment was music and dance, so it was to their benefit to constantly improve their forms of entertainment to prevent boredom. Anyway, check the site out, and there are many more sites listed on google, under music history.
| awareofvacuity
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6/10/2005 | posted: 6/10/2005 at 9:09:29 PM ET
Being an atheist I dont regard any of that religious claptrap. Music does exist naturally in nature, maybe your question relates to the first musical instruments which would most likely be a drum but I wonder which cave man tried to whistle first Ug or Ugh? I think music was there before it was used to pass on knowledge, I think music is with you when you are born.
| imnidiot
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3/28/2005 | posted: 6/15/2005 at 11:15:29 PM ET
I just have one question. Where does nature come from?
I am a fragment of my imagination
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